I met a young rape victim who conceived. She was 18, in college and, after giving the matter great thought, she decided to have the baby but not keep the child. She arranged an open adoption.
When I met her, the child was about two years old. Both families, the adopting family and the young woman's family, had bonded over their shared love for her son. Of course, the young mother was thrilled to be able to see and visit her son as much as she did.
She didn't outright say this, but I think she actually felt grateful for the rape that brought her son (who was so unexpected and definitely not wanted) into her world.
She, her family and the adopting family have developed tight bonds of love as a result of all loving a little boy whose mother so generously accepted his existence in her womb.
And her little boy? At this age, all he knows is that he's surrounded by a lot of people who love him a lot! What a wonderful way to grow up.
Gemma -- thanks for sharing this story! I have heard similar stories of a beautiful moment coming from something dark. This was a very good story to read so thank you for sharing this story.
Strong emotional appeals is the very essence of the debate, on both sides. The heavy religious overtones on the one side, and the question of bodily autonomy on the other. So in such an emotional environment is a rational debate even possible?
As a male with no dog in the fight, as a fallen away Catholic, I come down on the side of bodily autonomy, and I rely upon the simple single sentence Ninth Amendment. It is an emotional and very unpleasant topic. Considering that abortion has been a reality of human existence since the beginning, and still the planet is overpopulated with humans, the claim that it’s destroying the species as practiced is not persuasive.
The argument that sanctity of life will be advanced somehow by this law or that is also not persuasive. The governments that write the laws routinely and in many ways do not respect the sanctity of life as they routinely wage war to advance political agendas, and they routinely mandate harmful injections to advance political objectives.
Respect bodily autonomy and hope for the best, peace.
Richard, thanks for this comment sir! Regarding this quote, "Considering that abortion has been a reality of human existence since the beginning, and still the planet is overpopulated with humans, the claim that it’s destroying the species as practiced is not persuasive.", my thoughts are:
1) I want to look into the origins of abortion just to see where it originated from. If its to save the life of the mother, then no arguments here, but if its simply for avoidance of responsibility, then that's a new phenomena. I mention it in the podcast when I mention "getting burned by fire but then getting mad at fire."
2) I will be working on an article on overpopulation. This is a narrative that's been told to us and I'm going to explore it in an article. I believe I mentioned that in the podcast as well, but I will dive more into this, so thanks for bringing this up!
My husband & I no longer buy the overpopulation narrative, even though that propaganda played in to our own decision not to have children. To be fair, my own horrific childhood trauma (being trafficked in early childhood & witnessing the same men murder my mother around age 4) & my determination to disrupt a multi-generational cycle of sexual/emotional abuse & trauma played a much larger role. I never felt any ticking biological clock like other women do, so I don't personally regret not reproducing (my husband, on the other hand, does have some personal regret). But we do both feel like perhaps we have failed our culture & our civilization by not helping produce quality offspring.
You do know that Margaret Sangor, Bill Gates relation, all into eugenics, H Clinton's selfproclaimed idol and mentor😳! German Nazi(s) said they got the idea from us😱, the USA
What about the bodily autonomy of the separate individual inside of that woman's body? That body is NOT part of her body, hence the need for a structure, the placenta, to keep the two biochemically separate (nor can this material be reassimilated into her body upon miscarriage or abortion, it must be expelled). If you believe a woman has the right to wilfully terminate that separate body simply because it is growing inside of hers, that's your right. But for the sake of honesty & truth, we all need to stop allowing all these propagandistic euphemisms to give cover to extremely antihuman agendas by mentally & emotionally distancing people from the reality of what is actually happening. I will not refrain from publicly calling abortion what it actually IS: killing. You may not view it as murder like I do, as killing itself is not necessarily murder, but you cannot deny that it is the killing of a human being without denying reality.
We all need to stop allowing? By way of government laws and coercion?
Will that "stop allowing" work like it does with "stop allowing" the use of alcohol and other drugs? That is a recipe for failure Magdalene. Some years down the road from a law "stop allowing", there will be a new cabinet level agency spending trillions.
For an infinite number of personal reasons, various women have ALWAYS terminated their pregnancy, even if it means using a coat hangar. The best thing to do is confront the unpleasant reality and offer first class medical service to the poor women who are forced by their own mind and instincts to terminate their pregnancy.
Why do the automatic default to "by way of government???" Don't put those words in MY pen, they are solely YOURS. When I said "WE," I was referring to each of ourselves as sovereign citizens. As in, WE, as INDIVIDUALS, need to STOP ACCEPTING these euphemisms from the social engineers; STOP letting their paradigm (narradigm) force non-reality upon us. I said NOTHING about the use of force, let alone GOVERNMENT; you are projecting YOUR OWN thoughts on to my statement.
So, just in case it wasn't clear enough for everyone the first time, I was NOT suggesting anyone needs to MAKE anyone ELSE do anything, I was simply saying that people as individuals should take the time to reflect on the actual realities behind these words we've been handed to use. If those people then stop using propagandistic euphemisms & start speaking plainly, then other people will gradually be exposed to the actual realities. The absolute last thing I meant was that laws should be passed, & I suspect that you really DID understand all along but have made this disingenuous argument because you don't have an actual one.
I’m glad to hear you are not advocating for secular laws against abortion, that you advocate only for individual disapproval. Thanks for clarifying your position 👍
Young females I knew in the 70's-80's in NY believed the ' clump of cells' narrative, engaged in irresponsible and reckless promiscuity, and each time they got pregnant they had ANOTHER abortion! Some didn't even know which male was going to pay for it!🤑🤬Thank you for your presentation 🙏😘, should be included in school sex education along with film of baby's perspective, 'techniques' used to disassemble them alive!!
I met a young rape victim who conceived. She was 18, in college and, after giving the matter great thought, she decided to have the baby but not keep the child. She arranged an open adoption.
When I met her, the child was about two years old. Both families, the adopting family and the young woman's family, had bonded over their shared love for her son. Of course, the young mother was thrilled to be able to see and visit her son as much as she did.
She didn't outright say this, but I think she actually felt grateful for the rape that brought her son (who was so unexpected and definitely not wanted) into her world.
She, her family and the adopting family have developed tight bonds of love as a result of all loving a little boy whose mother so generously accepted his existence in her womb.
And her little boy? At this age, all he knows is that he's surrounded by a lot of people who love him a lot! What a wonderful way to grow up.
Gemma -- thanks for sharing this story! I have heard similar stories of a beautiful moment coming from something dark. This was a very good story to read so thank you for sharing this story.
Strong emotional appeals is the very essence of the debate, on both sides. The heavy religious overtones on the one side, and the question of bodily autonomy on the other. So in such an emotional environment is a rational debate even possible?
As a male with no dog in the fight, as a fallen away Catholic, I come down on the side of bodily autonomy, and I rely upon the simple single sentence Ninth Amendment. It is an emotional and very unpleasant topic. Considering that abortion has been a reality of human existence since the beginning, and still the planet is overpopulated with humans, the claim that it’s destroying the species as practiced is not persuasive.
The argument that sanctity of life will be advanced somehow by this law or that is also not persuasive. The governments that write the laws routinely and in many ways do not respect the sanctity of life as they routinely wage war to advance political agendas, and they routinely mandate harmful injections to advance political objectives.
Respect bodily autonomy and hope for the best, peace.
Richard, thanks for this comment sir! Regarding this quote, "Considering that abortion has been a reality of human existence since the beginning, and still the planet is overpopulated with humans, the claim that it’s destroying the species as practiced is not persuasive.", my thoughts are:
1) I want to look into the origins of abortion just to see where it originated from. If its to save the life of the mother, then no arguments here, but if its simply for avoidance of responsibility, then that's a new phenomena. I mention it in the podcast when I mention "getting burned by fire but then getting mad at fire."
2) I will be working on an article on overpopulation. This is a narrative that's been told to us and I'm going to explore it in an article. I believe I mentioned that in the podcast as well, but I will dive more into this, so thanks for bringing this up!
My husband & I no longer buy the overpopulation narrative, even though that propaganda played in to our own decision not to have children. To be fair, my own horrific childhood trauma (being trafficked in early childhood & witnessing the same men murder my mother around age 4) & my determination to disrupt a multi-generational cycle of sexual/emotional abuse & trauma played a much larger role. I never felt any ticking biological clock like other women do, so I don't personally regret not reproducing (my husband, on the other hand, does have some personal regret). But we do both feel like perhaps we have failed our culture & our civilization by not helping produce quality offspring.
You do know that Margaret Sangor, Bill Gates relation, all into eugenics, H Clinton's selfproclaimed idol and mentor😳! German Nazi(s) said they got the idea from us😱, the USA
What about the bodily autonomy of the separate individual inside of that woman's body? That body is NOT part of her body, hence the need for a structure, the placenta, to keep the two biochemically separate (nor can this material be reassimilated into her body upon miscarriage or abortion, it must be expelled). If you believe a woman has the right to wilfully terminate that separate body simply because it is growing inside of hers, that's your right. But for the sake of honesty & truth, we all need to stop allowing all these propagandistic euphemisms to give cover to extremely antihuman agendas by mentally & emotionally distancing people from the reality of what is actually happening. I will not refrain from publicly calling abortion what it actually IS: killing. You may not view it as murder like I do, as killing itself is not necessarily murder, but you cannot deny that it is the killing of a human being without denying reality.
We all need to stop allowing? By way of government laws and coercion?
Will that "stop allowing" work like it does with "stop allowing" the use of alcohol and other drugs? That is a recipe for failure Magdalene. Some years down the road from a law "stop allowing", there will be a new cabinet level agency spending trillions.
For an infinite number of personal reasons, various women have ALWAYS terminated their pregnancy, even if it means using a coat hangar. The best thing to do is confront the unpleasant reality and offer first class medical service to the poor women who are forced by their own mind and instincts to terminate their pregnancy.
Why do the automatic default to "by way of government???" Don't put those words in MY pen, they are solely YOURS. When I said "WE," I was referring to each of ourselves as sovereign citizens. As in, WE, as INDIVIDUALS, need to STOP ACCEPTING these euphemisms from the social engineers; STOP letting their paradigm (narradigm) force non-reality upon us. I said NOTHING about the use of force, let alone GOVERNMENT; you are projecting YOUR OWN thoughts on to my statement.
So, just in case it wasn't clear enough for everyone the first time, I was NOT suggesting anyone needs to MAKE anyone ELSE do anything, I was simply saying that people as individuals should take the time to reflect on the actual realities behind these words we've been handed to use. If those people then stop using propagandistic euphemisms & start speaking plainly, then other people will gradually be exposed to the actual realities. The absolute last thing I meant was that laws should be passed, & I suspect that you really DID understand all along but have made this disingenuous argument because you don't have an actual one.
I’m glad to hear you are not advocating for secular laws against abortion, that you advocate only for individual disapproval. Thanks for clarifying your position 👍
You're welcome. I suppose as a (post-)libertarian I took quite a bit of offense to the idea that we can't or won't do anything unless laws are passed!
Do you anticipate forming a club or something like that?
I respect your view
In a pregnancy there are 3 PEOPLE involved the Father, the mother, and the BABY who is totally dependent on the mother for its survival
Satan is So intent on destroying God's children and That is what is underlying in this whole despute
Young females I knew in the 70's-80's in NY believed the ' clump of cells' narrative, engaged in irresponsible and reckless promiscuity, and each time they got pregnant they had ANOTHER abortion! Some didn't even know which male was going to pay for it!🤑🤬Thank you for your presentation 🙏😘, should be included in school sex education along with film of baby's perspective, 'techniques' used to disassemble them alive!!